Patxi Lopez, with Rubalcaba; Barreda, with Chacón
The socialist representatives take positions on the candidates during the meeting from the Federal Committee
Rubalcaba and Chacón, seated together during the meeting of the Federal Committee. - EFE
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The day in which Rubalcaba and Chacón share scene for the first time since exministra of Defense announced its candidacy to the General Secretariat of the party, the Socialists take positions.
During the meeting of the Federal Committee of the PSOE to approve the communication frame of the 38 congress of the formation, that will take place in Seville from the 3 to the 5 of February, exministra Jiménez Trinidad and the exsecretario of State for the EU Diego Neat Lopez has ratified their support to Alfredo Perez Rubalcaba to consider that it is the one who has the maximum political authority and moral to do one she signs opposition to the Government of the PP.
On it Neat Lopez has insisted, who also has recognized that in the defeat weighed not to have delivered the sufficient attack in the distribution of the sacrifices of the crisis. Of exministro of Interior, Jiménez Trinidad is outstanding its great experience, its solution and its seriousness at the time of confronting the subjects.
Also Jaime Lissavetzky has shown his confidence in Rubalcaba, although he has expressed his maximum respect by Car to me Chacón and has praised that there is more of a candidate to lead the PSOE. And lehendakari and Secretary General of the Basque Socialists, Patxi Lopez, who has admitted that everybody knows its proximity and confidence in the candidate to direct the new socialist project and also has insisted on abrir the party to the progressive majority of the country.
The Secretary General of the PSOE of Castilla-La Mancha, Jose Maria Barreda, who attended the act of presentation of the candidacy of Chacón yesterday, in which she said that it liked much more that Rubalcaba, has denied the existence of two sides, adversaries or opponents , admitting the differences of shades between both companions.
The Member of the European Parliament Juan Fernando Lopez Aguilar has considered essential that the party becomes credible in the bet by the renovation and has said that whatever takes the passage facing leading the PSOE it deserves the respect , especially when the party crosses one of its worse moments.
Although all have decided on the tone conciliator, some leaders have been particularly even-tempered. The Secretary General of the Andalusian Socialists and president of the Meeting, Jose Antonio Griñán, has both asked fare-play candidates, having demanded to them cordiality and intelligence and has advanced that its federation will not be positioned until consulting to the provincial groupings.
Griñán has insisted on which it cannot be pronounced neither on candidates because, to do it, it would be moved by the affection or the friendship and has insisted on which what wants it is to hear what measures, what decisions are going to adopt because both they seem enormously valuable to him .
In the same line, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has demanded an exemplary debate and with self-criticism that will be guaranteed by the direction of the PSOE, that, according to is saying, he will guarantee that all the aspirings to the General Secretariat compete in equality of conditions.
Takings Go'mez, Secretary General of the formation in Madrid, has not shown preference either for neither. For that in more than an occasion one has been in favor of third via, Chacón represents the illusion and the change and Rubalcaba the experience . Anticipating that will show its preferences when they present with exactitude which are their proposals, Go'mez has noticed that it is possible that can have some other candidate .
38 Commentaries
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It insinuates that it can have dirty game? And that dirty game what how will be? Daggers, not letting itself appear to more alternatives, purchase of votes, demagoguery? Mr. Griñán explains itself. Their words are suspicious, as much as the leaders of that party that represents and that claims to be of lefts!
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GRIÑAN ASKING CLEANING? IT WILL BE ASKING TO THEM THAT ROBS THE UNEMPLOYED SINCE IT DOES?
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THAT GRIÑAN ASKS, THAT?
JAJAJAJA
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It did not want to enter the valuation of people, is not mine. But in this commerce we have the insistence of a product so made as known in his reventa, a product already known, proven, cooked and precooked. It has had many marks or logo, its variable colors, its multiple sound track. And all this for the same product.
This lady is worth for everything and for anything, she is of all and of no, it is the sold good product for the new man: the nihilist slave.
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Fare-play? What understand these by fare-play ? It must of being that of that seems an accident . Next to these, the Soprano is little angels of the gentleman.
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FARE-PLAY? JUA, JUA, JUA, THAT LAUGHTER GIVES ME THAT THE GO'MEZ ASK TO THEM MAINLY TAKINGS AND JOSEP BORRELL. THEY WERE THE TARGET OF ALL THE MEDIATIC AND POLITICAL ARTILLERY OF THE PSOE. EVERYTHING AN EXERCISE OF UNDEMOCRATIC MANEUVERS THE ONE THAT UNFOLDED THE APPARATUS AGAINST THEM UNTIL THE POINT TO MAKE THE LIFE IMPOSSIBLE AND TO OBTAIN THEM WITH AS MUCH IMPUDENCE THE OPPOSITE OF WHOM TRIED: THAT THE MILITANCY OF THE PARTY SUPPORTED TO THEM MAINLY TO BOTH. ALTHOUGH TO BORREL IT GAVE THE SAME HIM. THEY DID NOT STOP UNTIL THEY TOOK OFF IT OF ABOVE AND THEY SENT THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.
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Why it does not appear a movement of militants and indignant supporters that makes a change true, of people without recent past and ideas. He is everything tied so well as it seems. The potion of the amnesia has made effect perfect. A REAL PSOE, Encamped makes lack ALREADY in Ferraz of indignant militants
http://sagara1977.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/acampada-en-ferraz/
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The overflow, bipartisanism in the own parties, will be because the western thought is dichotomizing and universal, not even a third party in discord, target or black, because in the life there are grays and are the best ones.
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I believe that all this circus of the primary ones what it is obtaining is right the opposite than it tried the PSOE. The PSOE tries with these primary undemocratic ones to clean its image and to remove or a presentable leader. Nevertheless what they are obtaining is that everything seems a farce, an ugly circus, a dirty game enters interests over the citizenship, showing the true face of that gentuza that lives on the PSOE, and surely will present/display or a candidate or turbid turbid candidate or, like good is indicating the majority of readers of this newspaper that, it tries no matter how much it, is not going to be able to clean the image of that party of pseudorights that is the PSOE.
http://volianihil.blogspot.com/2012/01/parte-de-guerra-vi.html
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Rubalcaba or the Chacón? it gives the impression me that you have not included/understood anything don't mention it.
The criticism and self-criticism must be really very deep, if you really want to pick up the progressive votes of left.
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Zapatero is chaconita like Barroso and MediaProsoe, is the heiress
The fachos of the PSOE are not distinguished in anything of those of the Pp, insult to the left of the same form and in the same terms truth pagafantas, smart, Jesus to parapar and company?
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The PSOE is being immolated, terrible candidates, neoliberal ideology juancarlista XD
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Not espereís no miracle, is going to choose a new leader and to make up a little the party, nothing else. Good, yes, they will continue in the way towards the next disaster.
my advice: they study the proposals arisen in 15M, and apply most possible.
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Patxi is not that lehendakari that precedes to lehendakari Otegi?
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Neither Rubalcaba nor Chacón, said the dead to him to the degollado one, will eat a twisted roll. The PSOE, if it does not want to disappear like political rotation, would have to find a new face between socialist youths that were not implied in the previous outside really progressive process and.
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This extreme right-wing, neoliberal party, of colonized pitiyankis, sold, monarchic noratlantista and other adecos attributes, is like its similars, their competing friendly of the Venezuelan extreme right, the MUD, summoned open primary elections because they do not have militants, and now to a month they struggle in annulling them to choose to its presidential candidate by consensus (as soon as they would have voters). Two days ago they made a meeting secret to decide what to do;)
The Socialist International is not more than a cave of neoliberal footmen Social-Democratic alias where until recently there were several dictators now overthrown, and other people ., where the adecos of Carlos Andres Perez imposed their doctrine against the town, now registered maintained by its disciples of the PSOE.
100 thousand Libyans that happened to be under earth in 2011 need an answer the chaconitas.
Of minister of the bubble to minister otansta of the wars, impressive servility.
The PSOE is a party in extinction that was revived in 70 by the company and SD German to finish the pro-Franco work eliminating to the left. Now hope is ua of which they are those who disappear definitively. NOT MORE PPSOE.
The Spanish regime and its PPSOE are more out of position and lost than Zapatero and Aznar in a Popular Assembly in Abya Yala;) Crazy poor men who still continue voting the PSOE.
Trinilateral rubalcabiense Jiménez also is accomplice of everything.
Thanks to Zapatero and Chacón, Cadiz now is a morning call for the unfolded Russian missiles in Kaliningrado like answer.
Espoeremos that with the crisis of Capitalism the neoliberal farsantes disappear Social-Democratic alias that usurp the left, already deaparecieron in Suramérica, must happen in the foreign colonies of the European Union, beginning by the one of the Spanish regime.
We offer digging by the dcesaparición of the Social-Democratic farsantes, by the disappearance of the neoliberal monarchists sold to the USA, by the disappearance of the PSOE.
Not muddier, neither ferreras, nor madinas, nor students, n Berliner.
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ALFREDO GRIMALDOS: JOURNALIST AND WRITER
The Spanish Transition was designed in soothes central of the company
MIGUEL LUCAS ANGEL/WRITING
http://www.diagonalperiodico.net/La-Transicion-espanola-se-diseno.html
The past 20 of November another anniversary of the death of Franc was marked. They did not lack in means the celebrations by the present democratic system in contrast to the previous dictatorship. Nevertheless
Nevertheless, in front of the dominant speech, every time they are plus the investigations that insist on the silenced aspects more of the change of regime. Alfredo Grimaldos has investigated the paper of the company in this process: from the affections with Franc to the relation with the PSOE, happening through its support to 23-F. And it speaks on the immunity that still owns the agency, as they revealed more than 100 illegal flights in Spanish territory.
With its last book, the company in Spain, Grimaldos affects the paper that had the American secret services to deactivate the possibility of deep a change of articles of incorporation after the death of Franc. According to it aims, the agency has marked largely the recent political events. In addition, its presence stays. The control as soon as it exists on the American bases in the peninsula. And not by chance, in September of this same year the European Union reprobated to the Spanish Government its obstacles to the investigation of the illegal flights of the company in Spanish airports.
DIAGONAL: What real paper had the company during the Transition?
ALFREDO GRIMALDOS: Before there was presence of the company, but all this begins in years '70. When Nixon sees with Franc, it is a person very aggravated, who remains even slept while they speak to him. Then Nixon worries: What is going to happen when this one dies? , it is asked. It is necessary to consider that then, in the middle of the Cold War, Spain is a very important strategic place and Frank it is an ally against the Comunism. For that reason the Americans see necessary tutelary the process. And still more after the Revolution of the Carnations in Portugal.
D.: What steps begin to occur?
A.G.: I say that the Spanish Transition is designed in soothes central of the company. The Americans have the charge of all the process. They take contact with all the sectors: with the information services, with the High Commands of the Army and even, and this is credited, with Cheek. And after speaking with him they are tranquilized, says to them that it is in favor of the Pacific change, that is not going to pass nothing burdens.
D.: One of the aspects that are tried more then is to reorient to the opposition.
A.G.: Here the refundación of the PSOE is key mainly. The historical Socialist Party no longer represented anybody, did not count on weight exceeds what it was cooking here, nor in the daily antifrancoist fight. It had protagonism much more the traditional Comunism, the PCE, and movements anarchists on the other hand. In the Congress of Suresnes, in 1974, which does is to re-invent a party being useful historical abbreviations. The PSOE del that makes Secretary General to Felipe González is an invented PSOE. The money and the political cover essentially put Social-Democratic the party German, that also canalizes money of the company The same members of the Spanish Intelligence service, the SECED, take contact with the PSOE. And they even escort until Suresnes to Felipe González, they give the documentation him and they take to him. We are speaking of the SECED, the service of White Carrero. And the military man Jose Faura, who accompanied González, happens to be head of the General Staff of the Army in the '94, with González already in the power.
To repress the Republic
D.: To what extent something similar happens to the Communist Party?
A.G.: Good, it is necessary to consider that Cheek is a somewhat turbid personage. In 1977 he is the first communist leader who visits the USA, that is received in loor of multitudes and is named doctor Honoris Causa there. What Cheek does is to accept the Transition imposed from above, the inheriting king as of Franc and decisively contributes to finish with those who fought by the democratic rupture. In 1977, they legalize when them, they assume the monarchic flag and as of that moment the slogan is to repress the republican flag. I still conserve a republican flag broken by several pieces by the services of security of the PCE.
D.: What weight had the company in concrete episodes, like 23-F?
A.G.: It is clear that it knew it to the company. In 1981 one was here. You have it to the example in the building where it was located the department of counterintelligence and the general staff of Intelligence: the rent paid the company to it. The Spanish agents in the morning worked for the mother country and in the evening for the company and the company she is abreast of everything what happens. The commander Jose
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ersona that coordinated the operation, was a very tie man to the North American services. The two last visits that do before Tejero enters the Congress are to the nuncio of the Vatican, Monsignor Antonio Inocenti; and to the ambassador of the USA in Madrid, Tenence Todman. As always, the Empire and the Church sanctify the blow. That day, from first hours in the morning, a contingent of I SAW North American fleet is of operations near the coast of Valencia. When still the blow is not resolute and seems that it can go ahead, the declarations make grace of the North American Secretary of State, Alexander Haig, when it assures that 'the assault to the Congress of the Deputies is an internal subject of the Spaniards.
D.: The company he was conscious that the blow was going to fail?
A.G.: Good, it is necessary to consider that 23-F is a very strange blow. They support it to the blow. The company it had contacts with the coup participants and it knew the state opinion of the quarters. But other sectors also are pending if the blow it works or no. Here is a very ambiguous attitude on the part of the Real House. At the very end of night, when somebody is seen that the blow does not throw for ahead, says to have found a telegram sent to commander in chief Jaime Milans of the Bosch, one of the promoters of the blow. In him it is read: 'Jaime, as of this moment you go against Corona. That it is like saying: 'Jaime, now we do not give the blow, but we saved to Spain of you.
D.: And the king leaves very fortified after that day.
A.G.: The king follows where he is in favor not of his action. There is a great amount of books that leave the king in prohibition very. Why he follows? By the absolutely iron control that exists of mass media. If the means went a bridge, four or five days, publishing all the activities of the king 23-F and all chorizadas, when the Monarchy arrived Monday would have finished. The 'juancarlismo is fed on the ignorance, the myth and the disinformation.
D.: What is present at still maintains the agency?
A.G.: I have investigated mainly until the beginning of the '80. I analyze the first great cycle. That cycle finishes once it dies Frank and when they see that they have moored the Transition well. To its successor they give the approval him. Juan Carlos I is the candidate of the company Travels several times to the USA before arriving at the throne and its first international trip also is to the USA. And finally the socialist Government arrives, who they themselves have re-invented; he is the one that is in charge to put to Spain in NATO. With that cycle is closed. Now it is different, but reason why one sees continue doing what they want. The bases control them to nobody. And they suppose a platform of aggression against the Middle East. Of the subject of the flights of the company a list took control of all that participated in the flight; then, it is that they had all diplomatic cover. No matter how much Zapatero says, here there is no political will to clarify what he has happened. They continue doing what it comes to them in desire. http://www.diagonalperiodico.net/La-Transicion-espanola-se-diseno.html
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Whenever I read who supports to Chacón, I am glad more for Rubalcaba. But somebody has been put to think who is Barreda and what it has done in Castilla-La Mancha when are lost the elections? Simple: Barreda did that his wife resigned from deputy and he put himself in his place, humiliating itself before the apparatus they let so that it put himself of deputy. And everything not to have value to face Cospedal. It gave much fear him and one leaved (or as it is said). It supports to Chacón? I feel then it by her. Clear that Chacón is the type of person who dedicates itself to the policy of which it likes to Barreda: of good family, placed well and with few ideas. With its bread that eats it
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15. BUCKETS. You have made a photo exact of the PSOE. Greetings to Venezuela.
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The best thing for Spain is than it leaves chosen the catalanista Chacon, so that thus it finishes loading themselves to the PSOE and sinking it definitively. And thus a new Social Democratic and modern party can arise, that defends the total equality of citizens and territories, and commands to the PSC to the excrement.
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A great opportunity abrir the windows so that between new air in the PSOE and the rotten one goes away that has left the Zapaterismo, I am afraid that this gang does not learn and will follow with the same viejor errors, we hope that one third via by the good prevails over this country and the same PSOE.
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Patxi with Rubalcaba, Barreda with Chacón, but who is with the base and the internal democracy?
It is only tried to choose another Führer? Pure and hard Caudillismo?
It exists a thanked for base besides positions, barons, friendly and relatives, stomachs, meritadotes aplaudenecios professionalized, ?
And it counts for something that base if, so it exists?
Because, by the undergone sight and with previous ZP and, the contribution of the base has been almost equivalent to the one of the Party of the Workers of North Korea in its critic and its contribution to programs, measures and election of candidacies?
Why nonrenovation restored, and maximum duration like organic or elect position (two legislatures), why not to put under regularly the measures to take by the base so that it is pronounced on the matter or that the same base decides on measures?
Why it is not the base the one that decides on abiertas lists, at each level (policeman, provincial, autonomic) in the candidacies?
Why not to regularize Congresses to verify programmatic mandates and the measures adopted by/from the base, of a form not so distant AND WITH TRUE PARTICIPATION AND DEMOCRACY ITNERNA?
In its place, caudillismo fomented by barons that support to one or another one momio, when what would be due to value he is to discuss between all if INTERNAL DEMOCRACY is really wanted, or what it already has with the Rubalcaba. And all that, besides momios to the Patxi, Barreda, Bond, Moratinos, Pajin, that is a dynamics that had to disgust any democtrático Socialist.
This caudillista neon-Francoism, is not nor democratic far from it socialist.
In the socialism, all we are equal and with the same rights, without barons, caciques nor others monsergas neon-fascitas CONTROLADORAS Controller so that? Then it is clear, so that the base does not count or tells decorated way justificatory.
Renovation, lists abiertas in the designation of candidacies, internal democracy, participation, is necessary a real democracy already, within the PPSOE.
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TO GOOD HOURS, GREEN SLEEVES
The working-class, honest, honest, vilipendiada and evicted does not hold more.
The PSOE was sold to the Capitalist Markets and ninguneó to the working-class. The workers we are not worth nor a penny thanks to the Reforms and to the contract-sweepings; they have to us relegated to the misery and the poverty.
No, some does not exist nor will exist moral policy while the PSOE continues in a Social Democracy Ultraliberal and Capitalista. The refundación only comes from the Party. Is enough already of treasons to the honest working-class.
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The council of the chaconista Jiménez Robert is put in a scandal of filtrations in a level opposition and, to see if he is brave and he is able to repeat the examination and it does not act with the domination and influence of a cacique of always
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Who does not remember the summery Latin American tours of vice-president Teresa Fernandez dela Fertile valley? everything by the protection of the interests of the transnational companies of régimern Spanish and against the left of the continent.
Who does not remember these kisses in the cheek with Alvaro Uribe? http://fotos.lainformacion.com/politica/diplomacia/fernandez-de-la-vega-anuncia-un-plan-de-accion-para-dar-mas-eficacia-a-la-cooperacion-espanola_JqGuClWWg8ziIKUjlae4l2/ this was the antichavista image that the government of the Spanish regime sent like message every year to all Latin America and the Caribbean, a mistaken act more by the one than the Spanish regime does not paint anything in the continent Abya Yala,
CHÁVEZ VENEZUELA LIVES
ALIVE FIDEL CUBA
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Game of poker in the cover of the Titanic will matter who wins?
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Mr. Equis of the GAL will not appear?
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In the PNOE (nonworking) everything is I saw, this time bicandidates.
By the way, the bases only choose to one of them, by cullons?
And these two it has presented/displayed who them and chosen?
Jo! that ignorant I am or lacking of transparency they have these.
Health and Republic.
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If the base of the PSOE is the one that we have here ..... extinguishes and quese fence .....
What we already will do the work to them .
DESERTERS OF THE LEFT .!
LENGTH .......!
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This is what has east type of parties, that followers create and when these are gotten infuriated and they are abandoned, in its political incapacity do not know to look for another shelter, either existing or to do one new one.
Although this type of parties attracts more people with individual intentions that collective.
The PNOE is a structure contaminated from a to the Z.
Health and Republic.
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Gentlemen, are not about whom I like but, but who truly she is a SOCIALIST
In this case both are neoliberal ones convinced and in addition their political practices guarantee
that they are Socialists of rights.
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You watch that photo, jajaja. Investing, a Spaniards, a slimy one, stubborn corruTO to stick fire to them.
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It would be enough whereupon there would be a new candidate, who not outside well-known, that had not had responsibilities to be able, that had been friend neither of Zapatero nor of Felipe, who supposed a true change and that he retook the ideas and socialist principles that they never had to be left by you order external, so that the illusion returned to the electorate and the PSOE returned to the power; but with the candidates who are shuffled the apathy will follow restored, while they do not recognize the bad fact they explain and it why, and they promise to never separate more from his electorate, to whom they want to recover jodiendo to him when they are in the power, since they have demonstrated.
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Patxi Lopez + Rubalcaba/Barreda + Chacón = Renovation?
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GRIÑAN YOU ARE WIN, CORRUPT, WRATHS TO MAKE COMPANY TO WHITE PEPE IN COURTS ..... IREIS OF THE SMALL HAND. JAIL ALREADY!
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Who it compares the unloadings with the delinquency reveal their anachronistic thought very intuitively to us. The laws go behind the society because the politicians have expired convictions. Conservatives become and they cannot assume risks, they are bourgeois, apesebrados, they resign to the dreams, the utopias. The socialism nothing has to do with the speculation, the distribution of the misery, the deceit by action or omission, with them prebandage, the defense of the patrimony and the property at any cost. It is no wonder the workers, the workers and the unemployed feel pushed in their desperation towards the neoliberal right in which they see his table of salvation. Now they call euphemistically reforms to put the hand to us in the pocket and to impoverish to us, to sell the motorcycle to us of minijobs. They went of celebration and we paid the invoice. They drank guiski and we underwent the undertow. That if the fault is of the Government not to control, who if of the irresponsible Communities by and embezzlers. That if the Bank of Spain, that if the Boxes, that if the City councils, that if the Delegations or the Senate or the Monarchy. That they pardon my vehemence to me, that I am being unjust, but are many the demerits, very serious the errors and very little the rent.
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if cleaning like that your you practice that these leaving to Andalusia empercochá, in addition when it requests fare-play is because altar knows with the oxen that
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